Socrates in 2010

We’ve been reading Plato in class these days, several of the Dialogues thereof. One of the things I try to make clear when we do is that what he has to say is just as relevant today as it was 2500 years ago. Some of the language might have shifted meaning a bit – what he means by piety is not exactly what we mean – but what lies behind the word choices is every bit as important today as then. But it occurred to me that the old boy is probably better off dead. What would happen, I wondered, if we moved Socrates into the modern high school?

First, he probably would have gotten in trouble with the counselors for beating up on the students’ self-esteem. Never giving them an answer, just suggesting where their arguments fall down would have been a real problem for many. “If Euthyphro never experiences success, how can he ever come to understand piety? You need to ease up there, Soc.” Socrates’ was clearly not a student-centered classroom.

It’s pretty clear that Socrates was capable of dealing with only one type of learner; the learning specialists would be all over him for that. When Phaedo and he discuss the nature of the afterlife it’s equally clear that just discussing was very limiting; perhaps if Phaedo had been allowed to write a poem, create a mobile, or the front page of a newspaper that one might read when one gets…there, Socrates would have appealed to Phaedo’s multiple intelligences, and Phaedo could have “experienced success.”

Crito finds it difficult to accept Socrates’ definition of justice. It’s a strict one, and many would probably find it equally difficult. No problem says today’s advisor; just drop the dialogue. You don’t want it lowering your gpa, and you don’t need the dialogue to graduate.

Charmides and Socrates discuss the meaning of self-control. This one’s easy says the nurse; there is no such thing. Everything today is biological and Charmides can’t be held responsible for most of what he does. As soon as we get his medications figured out, maybe then. But not until. The counselor agrees. As does the learning specialist.

Timaeus would have been ready to continue his discussion on the nature of the physical world, but he has a paper due today, and a test tomorrow. Plus, those pesky college essays are hanging over his head, so his parents have called him in sick today. He will be in this afternoon for the game, though.

Meno has his college essays done, has no tests or papers coming soon, and is ready and eager to talk about the nature of virtue. But he has a field trip, so he’ll be gone all day. But it’s Tuesday, a “B day,” so Socrates’ class doesn’t meet anyhow. Maybe tomorrow? No – tomorrow Meno’s grade is meeting all day with the group from Spartan’s Are People Too. They’ll be breaking into small groups – maybe…? Nah.

Like I said – the old boy is better off dead. And I don’t know that we aren’t.

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3 Responses so far »

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    Julie said,

    Dave,

    I have returned to your blog at a depressing time. Socrates’ impression of modern education reveals painful truths. Perhaps the onset of winter has been too hard on you.

    Julie

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      ssfsblog said,

      The onset of winter is never hard – it’s something this misplaced Anglo Saxon (non)warrior looks forward to. Just imagine how bleak things might have looked had we been heading into, say, July.

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    View said,

    So don’t use grades in your classes. Find another, more creative way to assess a students performance and knowlege. Give them more room to “move” in their mind without dissapointing their parents and all those who have been making excuses for them since they were teeny, tiny tikes. Take that assessment and process it into a grade for reporting purposes later, but be nice……..they will have been engaged and given it their best shot since they’ll have not had the all mighty GPA hanging over their heads all semester/year.


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